Subject: Re: Apple II/e newbie - please help Path: lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.via.net!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3962AD0F.2F9266A7@dcnet2000.com> From: Phoenyx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 References: <3962654d.5374841@news.reliable-net.net> <39617442.8E95040E@swbell.net> <3963133d.49909228@news.reliable-net.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 99 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:35:43 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.210 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 962767959 204.2.54.210 (Wed, 05 Jul 2000 03:32:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 03:32:39 GMT Organization: Verio Well, besides all the recommended reading from Rubywand, I suggest you try Byteworks. Mike's site offers lot's of goodies for the II series. Including system disks and manuals to help you get started. After you learn a bit more, you can try some of the other web sites. www.byteworks.org The Applesoft prompt is a ] (bracket) it will have a cursor by it when you reset the machine. In forty column mode (the IIe default) it is normally a flashing checkerboard. The aux slot card is probably an 80 column board. To test this, type PR#3 from the prompt (on an empty line) and press return. The screen should clear and you should see a smaller solid cursor at the top left corner. PR#3 init's the slot 3 hardware. This card may also have an extra 64k of memory. Many programs may not use it and Prodos uses it as a ram disk by default. I guess I might explain the operating systems too. Originally, Apple used it's own Dos 3.x. Ok, at first they used a cassette system and the commands are still in the firmware of most II variants. When the disk drive came out, they needed an OS and developed DOS. It is very different from the MS-Dos you may be used to except that it handles commands from the user and handles the hardware. The original Dos was tied directly to Applesoft. It was a good system in many ways and lots of software was distributed on it. Early versions had a different disk format but I doubt you will have to worry very much about this. Dos 3.3 was the last version and was succeeded by ProDos. ProDos was a big change from Dos in many ways. For example, Dos 3.3 booted with Applesoft, ProDos itself was just a kernel and required another file to actually do anything. In many cases, this was Basic.System but could be any system file as long as it followed the correct format. IE, it had to be executable machine code which loaded at $2000 (0x2000 for PC types). If you use the Apple long enough, you can learn more about this stuff. For Prodos, you will need a utility disk. Unlike Dos 3.3, ProDos can't init a disk. There are many sites with Apple II files on the net. As you may have guessed from some of the threads here, some have pirated disks. Personally, I leave this issue up to the user as only they know their moral character. Anyway, there are many usable programs (a few of which are mine) you can transfer to the Apple with the right hardware. For this you need a serial card, preferably a Super Serial Card. You may have this already. I don't know what input that printer requires offhand. You will also need a null modem connection. This is all described in the FAQ's at Rubywand's site. In spite of what many people think, the II had a lot more uses than game playing, which it does very well. :-) I like to program on it and experiment with many of the early programming systems as they were in their infancy. To this end, you can find basic compilers, C compilers, Forth, assemblers and even a few systems specific to the Apple and of course, Applesoft. Applesoft was created by Microsoft and licensed by Apple for the II series. You may hear some bad things about it, but all in all it's not that bad. When I first started out, Applesoft was all I had to program with. If you decide to program in it, there are ways to enhance it too. Many consider the II to be a toy or an old system not worth their time. IMHO, you have the BEST 8 bit system ever made. It can do almost anything you want it to even if it isn't as fast as the newer systems. Speaking of hardware, you will most likely want to expand the system. It can already connect to a television via RCA plug or RF modulator. It can also connect to a VCR, so if you set things up right, you could make a mini movie. :-) You can also get a hard drive from a company called Alltech. While Dos 3.x can't use it, ProDos was designed with large media in mind. There are specialty cards you may run across in the used market, if you are unsure, feel free to ask here. There was even controllers for the X10 home control systems, and even a simple robot that you could send commands to. In fact, one of our readers has created his own robot using Apple IIe parts and hand coded software. I could probably go on and on about the II, but I guess I'll give you a break for now and let someone else brag about it. -- Thank you for your time and interest. I hope it was helpful or at least interesting. Phoenyx, Apple2 user since March 1984 Links to Phoenyx's pages: preferred..... http://zip.to/Phoenyx_A2 alternate..... http://www.tinyangeldesigns.com/Apple2