Subject: Apple2 Ethernet card kits, group buy Path: lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!typhoon-news1.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "**** ****" <***@***.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Lines: 94 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 00:47:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.30.242.20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon-news1.southeast.rr.com 964054071 24.30.242.20 (Wed, 19 Jul 2000 20:47:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 20:47:51 EDT Organization: RoadRunner - Richmond So that it's easy to find... jojo4@nospam.va.mediaone.net Guys, For the past few days, I and a few other interested individuals have been discussing the feasibility of building our own a2 ethernet boards. We have a tentative circuit design, and several individuals willing to write drivers for the nic. I myself have compiled the list of required components, and have recieved price quotes. I have found that were I to buy enough parts to make a single network card myself, I would spend roughly US$25 on electronic components, another $12 on S&H and finally around $100 on a single circuit board. If I were extremely talented at making my own circuit boards(and I'm not), I might be able to etch it myself for $20-30. Still not a bargain. However, due to the magic of volume discounts, and the wonders of bulk shipping, if a few dozen people were to pool their money and buy the needed parts all together, there would be a drastic price drop. The electronic components (chips, caps, resistors, etc) could fall from $25 or so, on down to the $17 dollar range, if fifty kits were bought. If more were bought, they could fall a bit further, but not significantly until around 100 kits. The printed circuit boards fall from around $100, to as little as $5 apiece in a lot of fifty. They continue to fall significantly even past that point, so every kit bought would lower the price for all. The shipping and handling becomes barely perceptible on the first leg of the journey. What is $12 for one person to order the parts becomes a few dimes and nickels per kit, when 50 orders are placed. However, that is to a single destination. At that point, the person coordinating the purchase (that'd be me) has to turn around, sort all the pieces into kits, and ship it to each individual. Ouch. That's several hours of work, but I'm willing to do this just to see it happen (not to mention my own card becomes a bit cheaper in the process *grin*). There are downsides to this. Statistically, someone is going to get pissed, no matter how gracefully I manage to do all this. Apologies in advance. A million trolls are going to flame me, claiming I'm trying to con money out of people. Go to hell. Two million trolls are going to flame me claiming this is vaporware, and that I'll lose interest or it will get pushed to the wayside and forgotten. I hope they are wrong. These boards will be designed with the intention that they should work in every a2 model possible. However, I want to make it painfully obvious that the Apple //c has no internal expansion slots, and that we may never progress to the point of designing a similar external device for it. Also, while theoretically it could be made to work with every other model, for practical reasons, we are focusing on the //e and GS. More so, these kits, while containing everything necessary to build the network card, contain a small SMT chip that has over one hundred pins. These are especially delicate to solder by hand. The inexperienced should wait til someone sells completed kits, or find a friend that is skilled at this. The biggest disadvantage of all, though, is that there is no guarantee that drivers or any software will be written before orders are taken. Rest assured, that one way or another, drivers will be written for these boards eventually, even soon, but no dates are set. Keeping all of this in mind, I want you to know, that if you absolutely cannot wait any longer for an ethernet solution for your apple//, I am organizing a group purchase of the necessary components. What this means is this... If you are absolutely certain that you wish to purchase a kit for as much as US$50, email me at jojo4@nospam.va.mediaone.net with your name, computer model, quantity desired, postal ZIP code (or international mailing address), and no other conditions. If you are 100% certain that you want this, send me the email, and I'll add you to the list. That way, I can get the exact numbers needed, and two weeks from now when I get a quote, I'll be able to contact you with the exact price per kit. Expect it to be quite a bit less than $50, maybe as low as $25, but it all depends on how many orders are placed. If for some inexplicable reason it is more than $50, then you have no obligation to buy. Feeling a little suspicious? I don't blame you. If you'd like the card, but don't feel comfortable with this, know that I intend to post all the necessary diagrams and schematics so that the loners out there can make their own. It is also my understanding that those working on the software intend to release it to the public domain also. Good luck to you, maybe you'll even beat us to it, huh? We are well on our way to doing this, but there are still plenty of areas where you could help us! Every person who helps, is a person that might spot a defect in the design before we send it off to be manufactured, every person thinking is one that might suggest a solution to the problem that is frustrating the rest. Please, if you want to help, I'm sure you have something to offer. Thanks guys, John Apple// Ethernet Kit Information: Please email me at... jojo4@nospam.va.mediaone.net Include these in the message A) Subject of "Apple// Ethernet Kit Pre-Order" B) Your computer model. 2+, 2e, 2gs, etc (also include rom version if relevant) C) Your ZIP code, or international mailing address D) The number of kits that you want E) Your affirmation that you absolutely want the kit, as long as its less than <= $50