Subject: Re: Apple IIx From: supertimer@aol.com (Supertimer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Lines: 74 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 05:42:09 GMT References: <377DF857.3331B40B@hotmail.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990706014209.06504.00007810@ng-fo1.aol.com> Forrest wrote: >Rubywand wrote: > >>>Established II users at the end of 1984 would be...people with IIs >>>and II Pluses, who were by then a minority of the Apple II >>>population. >> >>Hard to say. A lot of those IIe's were going into schools all over >>the world. > >Even if half of the 1.5 million sold went into schools the II and II+ >people would have been in the minority; just a larger minority. I'll have to dig out my old issues of Compute! again, but there were a total of over 11 million combined Apple II units (spanning all the models sold), possibly 12 million. Of those, 1.5 million were IIGS units and some 5 million alone were Apple IIes. The IIc made up another large chunk. This was followed by the II+. There really were not that many Apple IIs. Between the Apple II and the IIc+, it is hard to say which one sold more and we know the IIc+ was not a popular model (although it WAS the best 8-bit Apple II). Then again, the definition of successful in 1988 was different from that in 1977. Even if the IIc+ outsold the II during its lifetime, the II would still be considered more successful because not that many personal computers were sold in 1977. The Apple IIe was an amazingly successful unit with large sales volume and a very long life span. It was legendary and no computer model has ever lasted as long. However, today IIes are being abandoned in droves, but, although IIGS units are also being traded in less than flattering ways, those II users who are still seriously using the Apple II (like myself) are mainly IIGS users. The IIGS had a lot of potential that Apple never tapped. My IIGS has a 1024x768 SVGA card capable of 24-bit color, a 1GB hard drive, a Zip drive, a CD-ROM, a high speed modem, a high res ink-jet printer, 200+ TrueType fonts, and 8MB of RAM, and accelerated five times over. Had Apple released the IIGS with a hard drive after the initial model, improved its video every few models, increased the standard RAM every few models, it would quite possibly had kept its large and formidable user base. Apple should never have dived into schizophrenia by splitting into Mac and II divisions and then killing itself and abandoning its users. The IIGS and the Mac should have been one unit released in 1984. That it was not was the fault of Steve Jobs, who's philosphy was conflict. "IBM is the evil empire" helped galvanize Apple to innovation. BUT when Jobs added "Apple II" to the list of enemies (like seen in Pirates of Silicon Valley "Macintosh division is family, everyone else [gesturing to the entire Apple Computers, Inc. building filled with Apple II employees] is an outsider.") he really stepped over the line and led his company off the cliff. I just took a look at the book "100 Best Commercials" and it had the 1984 "Big Brother" commercial. Well, it also said that the year after, Apple tried an encore with the Lemmings commerical, where "suits" were marched off the cliff. In 1986, Apple sales plummeted. That was when Jobs was fired, the IIGS released, and the Mac and II divisions reintegrated. Apple needed the Apple II line to stay alive. It is just pure evil and chance that we Apple II users got screwed. Chance because by the time the Mac and II divisions were reintegrated, Steve Jobs had already positioned Mac folks closer to the top. Evil because they proceeded to use the Apple II line as a cash cow, channeling profits away from II R&D and advertising and to Mac R&D and advertising. What kind of company competes against itself? A company that does not care about its users! (Or rather, Jobs did not care about the users.)