Subject: Re: Pro Mac/Jobs fantasy story online Path: lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.tli.de!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.uiowa.edu!news1.icaen!ground.ecn.uiowa.edu!apple2pd From: apple2pd@ground.ecn.uiowa.edu (ground.ecn AppleII Librarian) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Date: 12 Dec 1999 20:44:28 GMT Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa Lines: 44 Message-ID: <8311fc$esh$1@server05.icaen.uiowa.edu> References: <383C2BE9.5E73C078@earthlink.net> <19991125114639.06326.00000273@ng-ba1.aol.com> <383E1842.6E96C1C5@Concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ground.ecn.uiowa.edu In article <383E1842.6E96C1C5@Concentric.net>, Gabriel Morales wrote: >Supertimer wrote: > >> Wozniak is different. He teaches children now. > > You're right, Wozniak is different. Woz was never very ambitious, >apparently. Both Jobs and Gates are ambitious, and affect the industry- >But- they're on different teams. > Very misleading to generalize, but I would say Woz the most ambitious, Jobs manipulative, and Gates unruthlessly greedy. Woz is the most ambitious because: He designed, built, tested and programmed real hardware. After accomplishing one successful career, he went on to another, teaching. Jobs and Gates have evolved in their careers, through the use of and at the expense of others, but have never independently shown ambition in the sense of accomplishing something without the use of the talents of their employees and friends. Both Jobs and Gates have demonstrated a immensely huge need for fame and fortune that Woz has no desire to pursue. (One minor flaw in my argument is that I believe Gates actually did programming early on and so did actually accomplish tasks on his own. Downhill since then however. I am unaware of anything Jobs has ever done except use other people's money and talents and ideas.) Of the three, who is happier? All three have affected the lives of our youngest generation. Which one has helped the children the most out of unselfish love for humankind? Gates has given the most money, Jobs has given the most fruity colors, Wozniak has given ... skills and hope. How do you measure ambition? --Steve -- --Steve (apple2pd@ground.ecn.uiowa.edu)